Griffin - Eight, yeah, eight when my mum and dad divorced. And then, you know, everything just went haywire. Kate - We've been together for five years, married for three and a half. We have quite a large family. This is our nuclear family, obviously Milla 's asleep. But I would describe our family, if I was talking to someone, as Kristen and myself and our three children. I have four stepchildren from a previous marriage so I consider those to still be my children as well. So it's just a quite a large, diverse and interesting family. Griffin- The four older boys live with my dad. And me and Mac lived with Mum. I lived at this house with this girl named Kristen. Which is my stepmum. And then they started getting close, and they started dating. And they told us that you know like, oh I'm gay, and I was like, okay, I didn't really mind at all. And that's really kind of it. Kristen had a baby and the older brothers went on to do their own things. Kate - I had massive guilt after the breakup because it impacted, you know, specifically these two but of course my older four as well. I quickly had to internalise a bit of that, so I wasn't outwardly putting it on the kids. The main thing I had to do was to be a very very patient. There were a lot of people whose feelings were hurt and they found it quite challenging when I left my family and came out as being gay. Kate's partner- I think the boys just saw the practical side of things more so, like the moving out of the house. Griffin- You would see that Mum was not at her happiest time and we'd accept that and try and help her, but Dad wouldn't be his best either but it was okay. Kate's partner - Kate's very good at protecting them from that kind of stuff, so I'm sure she did a very good job protecting them. And certainly was doing that when I came on the scene anyway. Kate - I have a really successful co-parenting relationship with my ex-husband, and I'd go as far as to say that we're good friends. Griffin - I was upset about Mum and Dad you know splitting. I would talk to Dad and Dad would make very clear that I'm still part of his family no matter what happens. It's different. I live with my mum and then on the weekends, or every second weekend I go to my dad's and hang out with all the other brothers. My elders, who'd be living in a different house. Kate - Ultimately, it's about Griffin and Mac and their ongoing connection with their father and their brothers. And so for us to be able to facilitate a really positive relationship with me and my ex husband, the primary motivation for that is for the boys to know that we're really comfortable together and we can talk about whatever. Griffin - I didn't really talk to kids about it. I just act normally. Or when my friends would come over they'd say oh why don't you live at this house, I'd just say long story, tell them about, exactly what I said. And they'd just be understanding. They wouldn't go that's weird, they'd just be like oh okay. Kate's partner - I think as parents we just need to be sort of open and honest about the situation. Hiding things makes it sound or feel wrong, and it's certainly not so I think the best advice would just be open and honest about where things are at and how you're feeling I mean, kids are very intuitive, they pick it up anyways so might as well be open and honest about it. How you're feeling, what's happening.